View pricing, availability, product information and place orders online 24/7 at SingleSource®

 

HVAC and Plumbing Distributor
Picture of Jonathon Pullen

Jonathon Pullen

Technical Services Manager
Gulf Coast Distrtict

What We Have Here… is a Failure to Communicate!

Have you ever found a communication fault or failure on an Infinity or Evolution system? Did you get a fault code 178 indoor coms fault or a 179 outdoor coms fault? Or have you seen a code 16 coming from the indoor board?

The cause of a communication failure could be a circuit board failed dragging down the com bus or the thermostat wire has failed. The thermostat wire may have high resistance in the wire causing coms loss or the wire has shorted killing the com volts.

This is how I explain to people in the field trouble shooting a 178/179 coms fault code.
Anytime we are checking the coms bus, we check A&B or green and yellow depending on how it is labeled.
Start by checking the communication volts on A&B or green and yellow on the green plug at the indoor board. Good coms volts are around 4VDC. If the volts are below 3.2VDC, you will see coms failure. If the coms volts are low, my next step is to check the volts at the board without any wires connected. Good coms volts on the board without thermostat wires should be 4.5VDC. If the coms volts are low coming out of the board, then the board is bad.

Next, I ask the tech to remove the wire for the outdoor unit leaving the thermostat connected to the indoor only and recheck coms volts. If the coms volts come up and the thermostat can communicate to the indoor unit, we will then know to check the thermostat wire going to the outdoor unit and the board for the outdoor unit. If the coms volts are still low then we need to check the thermostat or thermostat wire. I recommend checking coms volts on the thermostat base plate. Does the coms volts come back with the thermostat removed? If yes, then I recommend checking the ohm value on the thermostat. A trick we use in the field is taking the thermostat off the wall, attaching a short peace of thermostat wire, and connecting direct to the indoor unit.
Reconnect the wires after this step is completed.

Lastly, I ask the tech to remove the green plug from the outdoor unit board and check the coms volts on the green plug. Does the coms volts come back up or stay low? If the volts stay low, then most likely there is a wire problem and the wire needs checking. If the volts come back up, then we will check the board. I ask the tech to reattach the green plug, recheck coms volts, and see if the volts dropped. If yes, then we will proceed to check resistance on the board. Remove power to the unit and the green plug to ohm the board on A&B or green and yellow.
All of the communicating components may be checked by checking the ohms on A&B or green and yellow.

Resistance Values
Reading

More to explore

Veto Promo

April 2024 Veto Pro Pac Promotion Check out the video and resources below to take advantage of our April Veto bag promotion.

Black History Month

Black History Month takes place between February 1st and March 1st every year. It’s a time to celebrate and observe the accomplishments,

Heat Pump

Keep up with the latest HVAC news from Mingledorff’s Inc.

Alabama Locations

Anniston (256) 241-3026 105 E D St, Anniston, AL 36201
Auburn (334) 734-8011 2295 1st Ave, Opelika, AL 36801
Birmingham (205) 250-7714 516 31st St N, Birmingham, AL 35203
Dothan (334) 836-1035 205 Wedgewood Dr, Dothan, AL 36303
Gulf Shores (251) 968-2660 820 Commerce Dr, Gulf Shores, AL 36542
Huntsville (256) 859-2691 391 Nick Fitcheard Rd NW, Huntsville, AL 35806
Loxley (251) 964-2707 30020 Co Rd 49, Loxley, AL 36551
Mobile (251) 476-2220 5522 W Commerce Blvd West, Mobile, AL 36619
Montgomery (334) 262-4855 861 Plantation Way, Montgomery, AL 36117
Muscle Shoals (256) 383-6904 107 Commerce St, Muscle Shoals, AL 35661

Georgia Locations

Albany(229) 432-5254205 Baldwin Dr, Albany, GA 31707
Athens(706) 548-2563105 Whitetail Way, Bogart, GA 30622
Atlanta(404) 875-77551290 Tacoma Dr NW, Atlanta, GA 30318
Augusta(706) 651-19503618 Wrightsboro Rd, Augusta, GA 30909
Brunswick(912) 265-5193275 Rose Dr, Brunswick, GA 31520
Columbus(706) 322-38706201 W Hamilton Park Rd, Columbus, GA 31909
Conyers(770) 918-9132335 Gees Mill Business Pkwy NE, Conyers, GA 30013
Forest Park(404) 361-24745158-C Kennedy Rd, Forest Park, GA 30297
Gainesville(770) 297-93352472 Hilton Dr, Gainesville, GA 30501
Lawrenceville(678) 442-10602111 Cedars Rd SE, Lawrenceville, GA 30043
Lithia Springs(770) 948-3451320 Thornton Rd #106, Lithia Springs, GA 30122
Macon(478) 474-85445527 Thomaston Rd, Macon, GA 31220
Marietta(770) 426-05511060 Triad Ct, Marietta, GA 30062
Newnan(770) 239-210570 Enterprise Ct, Newnan, GA 30265
Peachtree Corners(770) 239-21006675 Jones Mill Ct, Peachtree Corners, GA 30092
Savannah(912) 232-1228103 Central Jct Blvd, Savannah, GA 31405
Statesboro(912) 764-8841126 W Parrish St, Statesboro, GA 30458
Valdosta(229) 245-8200363 Connell Rd, Valdosta, GA 31602
Warner Robins(478) 953-3727110 Byrd Way, Warner Robins, GA 31088

South Carolina Locations

Hilton Head(843) 689-34043715, 21 Hunter Rd, Hilton Head Island, SC 29926

Florida Locations

Fort Walton Beach(850) 244-201776 Beal Pkwy SW, Fort Walton Beach, FL 32548
Panama City(850) 913-05853012 Lisenby Ave, Panama City, FL 32405
Pensacola(850) 438-10054405 N. Palafox Street, Pensacola FL 32505

Mississippi Locations

Hattiesburg(601) 579-96701851 Lincoln Rd, Hattiesburg, MS 39402
Ocean Springs(228) 497-5090Sunplex Industrial Park, 5717 Suntec Drive, Ocean Springs, MS 39564

Commercial Sales

Norcross – North Georgia Hub
(800) 282-4911

Birmingham – North Alabama Hub
(205) 250-7714

Macon – Southwest Hub
(800) 342-9250

Loxley – Gulf Coast Hub
(800) 239-7419

Savannah – Southeast Hub
(800) 822-7617

Commercial Parts

[email protected]
(844) 99-CHILL

 CompanyWeb AddressDescription
Airzonewww.airzoneinc.comCustom and Underfloor Air Handlers
Aladdin Metal Productswww.aladdinmetalproducts.comCurb Adapters and Roof Curbs
Aprilairewww.aprilaire.comIndoor Air Quality Products
Autaniwww.autani.comBuilding Automation and Controls
Bardwww.bardhvac.comHeat Pumps,Gas/Electric, and Wall Mounted Air Conditioners
Bryantwww.bryant.comCommercial, Industrial, Residential Heating & A/C Products and Controls
Carrierwww.commercial.carrier.comCommercial and Residential Heating & A/C Products
Data Airewww.dataaire.comPrecision Air Control for Data Processing Centers
 DXairwww.dxair.comPool dehumidification systems
 First Companywww.firstco.comFan Coil Units
Global Plasma Solutionswww.gpshvac.comAir Purification and Bi-Polar Ionization
 Greewww.greeusa.comPTACs
 Hayes Fluid Controlswww.haysfluidcontrols.comHose Kits and Control Valves
 iAirewww.myiaire.comCommercial Air Purification using ionization with energy savings
 IslandAirewww.islandaire.comPTACs, Vertical Units, Water Source Heat Pumps
 i-Vuwww.commercial.carrier.comBuilding Automation and Controls
 Magic Airewww.magicaire.comFan Coil Units
 Micro Metlwww.micrometl.comRoof Curbs, RTU Accessories, & ERVs
 Modinewww.modine.comGas-Fired Unit Heaters, Duct, Furnaces, Hot Water Cabinet Unit Heaters, Makeup Air, and Dedicated Outdoor Air Systems
 Network Thermostatwww.networkthermostat.comInternet Thermostats, Wifi Themostats, Ethernet Thermostats
Paynewww.payne.comResidential Heating & A/C Products
Rawal Deviceswww.rawal.comContinuous Capacity Modulation and Dehumidification for DX Systems
Renew Airewww.renewaire.comFixed-Plate ERVs
Totalinewww.totaline.comCompressors, Parts, and Supplies
United CoolAirwww.unitedcoolair.comModular All-Indoor HVAC Systems
 Warren Technologywww.warrenhvac.comElectric Heaters
 Wilo Pumpswww.wilo-usa.comPump Systems for HVAC and Water Supply and Sewage